Today I received an email from a friend who asked:
I basically answered:
Good question. Here are my thoughts (heavily influenced by Edwardsian ethics):
What is selflessness?
If it is a self having regard for another self without regard for itself, then I think it is impossible for a moral being to be selfless. Here's what I mean.
Morality is valuing what is truly valuable in a degree proportionate to the degree of its value. Another way to speak of morality--indeed the most foundational--is through the concept of love. Love is valuing what is truly valuable in a degree proportionate to the degree of its value. Therefore, if God is moral, if he is love, then he must value himself supremely. The morality of God, the love of God, is expressed eternally as triunity. The love of the Father for the Son is the love of God for himself. And the love of the Son for the Father is the love of God for himself. It is the same divine self-love in both cases. I don't know how to conceive of a love between the persons of God that does not have divine self-love at its root.
For creatures, if we are to be morally upright, if we are to love righteously, then we must love God supremely. But even creaturely love for God is not selfless. Loving God must necessarily entail loving ourselves since we bear his image.
Therefore, morality is fundamentally grounded in self-love, whether that love is ordered properly (i.e. righteousness) or not (i.e. sin). Properly ordered self-love acknowledges love for God as its basis. Improperly ordered self-love trades its true basis, love for God, for another which is idolatry.
Thinking Trinitarian[ly], is not God selfless in regards to the Persons, but not the substance. IOW, does not the Father see the Son and see God, or see the image of His ousia as the Son is His image and love the Son because whatever is of the divine ousia is worthy of love? Thus, the Trinity is oriented teleologically towards itself and selflessly away from the Persons' selves?
I basically answered:
Good question. Here are my thoughts (heavily influenced by Edwardsian ethics):
What is selflessness?
If it is a self having regard for another self without regard for itself, then I think it is impossible for a moral being to be selfless. Here's what I mean.
Morality is valuing what is truly valuable in a degree proportionate to the degree of its value. Another way to speak of morality--indeed the most foundational--is through the concept of love. Love is valuing what is truly valuable in a degree proportionate to the degree of its value. Therefore, if God is moral, if he is love, then he must value himself supremely. The morality of God, the love of God, is expressed eternally as triunity. The love of the Father for the Son is the love of God for himself. And the love of the Son for the Father is the love of God for himself. It is the same divine self-love in both cases. I don't know how to conceive of a love between the persons of God that does not have divine self-love at its root.
For creatures, if we are to be morally upright, if we are to love righteously, then we must love God supremely. But even creaturely love for God is not selfless. Loving God must necessarily entail loving ourselves since we bear his image.
Therefore, morality is fundamentally grounded in self-love, whether that love is ordered properly (i.e. righteousness) or not (i.e. sin). Properly ordered self-love acknowledges love for God as its basis. Improperly ordered self-love trades its true basis, love for God, for another which is idolatry.


